Posts by never a jw

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"Our Reader's Ask" November 2012 Public WT

by dontplaceliterature in

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has anyone seen this?

it's rich.

it's too bad that this will blow right over the heads of jehovah's witnesses.

never a jw

You stole my thunder. The article is a gem that if heeded by JW's would empty the WTS of its members

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Is Samuel the same as "Samuel"?

by never a jw in

in the nwt 1 of samuel 28:12-20, the proper name samuel appears 5 times enclosed by quotation marks.

i don't think "samuel" (instead of samuel without any quotation marks)appears again in any other part of the new world translation, or anywhere in any other bible.

about 18 years ago i noticed this problem of translation in the nwt, and decided to bring it up to a special study conducted by the visiting circuit overseer with me as the student.

In the NWT 1 of Samuel 28:12-20, the proper name Samuel appears 5 times enclosed by quotation marks. I don't think "Samuel" (instead of Samuel without any quotation marks)appears again in any other part of the new world translation, or anywhere in any other Bible. About 18 years ago I noticed this problem of translation in the NWT, and decided to bring it up to a special study conducted by the visiting circuit overseer with me as the student. I suggested to him that I doubted that the original languages of the scriptures allowed for that type of use of quotation marks in the translated word, which alter, even reverse the meaning of the word enclosed by the quotation marks. "Samuel", instead of Samuel (no quotation marks) actually indicated that the apparition was not really Samuel. The C.O. was stumped and tried to explain the subtle, but significant mistranslation by saying that "the brothers are trying the best they can to convey God's message".

In bible is valid to add quotation marks to set off exact spoken or written language, but it is dishonest to reverse the original meaning of the author by enclosing a word with quotation marks as the NWT does in 1 Samuel 28:12-20. It seems that the WTS wants to cover its butt regarding the doctrine of The dead ceases to exist, is gone, finito, by corrupting the scripture.

Any comments???

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Are some better off not knowing the truth of the truth?

by EndofMysteries in

i hate my situation.

a very close relative is remarried to a man who before becoming a jw was a shady character.

he has said if he wasn't a jw, he'd have guns and stuff, always worried about things.

never a jw

I have an idea what "dubs" mean, but it is not precise. Is it an acronym?

Regarding who should be awaken, the younger the dub the more the responsibillity of us who know the truth to awaken them. My 83 yearl old mother in law who spent her whole life in a 500 inhabitant small town in Mexico and never finished elementary should be left alone. However, regarding my 12 year old son with an IQ of 145 and a heart that you run into once in your lifetime, would be a crime not to wake him up. I will not carry in my conscience the thought that I didn't try everything possible to undo the damage inflicted by a religion that discourages higher education, rejects science and history, controls the minds and lies to 7.5 million honest and innocent people.

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Scholastic Dishonesty - June 2012 Awake - Jewish Exile Timeline

by Ultimate Reality in

the june 2012 awake has another article on the exile of the jews by the babylonians.

once again the wt quotes dishonestly.. .

from page 14:.

never a jw

Thanks Splash. Good research.

I agree, those books seem old books that can only be good for one reason, to keep as collectible items, not as archaeological reference in 2012.

JW are ludites who call higher education a waste of time, but want the most educated and best trained doctor, using the latest technology when they are hit by a serious disease.

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Scholastic Dishonesty - June 2012 Awake - Jewish Exile Timeline

by Ultimate Reality in

the june 2012 awake has another article on the exile of the jews by the babylonians.

once again the wt quotes dishonestly.. .

from page 14:.

never a jw

The book I am referring in my former post is also cited in the June 2012 Awake that is discussed in this thread

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Scholastic Dishonesty - June 2012 Awake - Jewish Exile Timeline

by Ultimate Reality in

the june 2012 awake has another article on the exile of the jews by the babylonians.

once again the wt quotes dishonestly.. .

from page 14:.

never a jw

As it is typical in Watchtower articles, I also found a citation from the book The Bible and Archeology with no references whatsoever, no author, no publishing house, no year of publication, nor page number. I have googled the title, but I can't find anything. Was the Watchtower making up a title or giving the wrong name to avoid someone finding more scholastic dishonesty? Can anyone help me with a reference as what book the Watchtower writer is talking about.

I sent an email two weeks ago to one of the elders of the congregation asking for more details about the book, but no reply yet, as expected.

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Help for a father of two young JW's

by never a jw in

i have never been a jw, but my wife, two brothers and their wives and children are.

also, most of my wife's brothers and sisters are jw's.

since i have a close relationship with both my family and my wife's family you can deduce that most of my friends and associations are with jw's.

never a jw

Hi Ausie Oz

What's a PM. I don't know what you mean. I am not familiar with protocols or processes in blogs. Please explain.

Thanks

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Help for a father of two young JW's

by never a jw in

i have never been a jw, but my wife, two brothers and their wives and children are.

also, most of my wife's brothers and sisters are jw's.

since i have a close relationship with both my family and my wife's family you can deduce that most of my friends and associations are with jw's.

never a jw

Thank you everyone for your great advice regarding "educating" my children out of the Watchtower grasp . One day I want to take the tough stright shooter approach, the next I want to try the slow and subtle approach to getting them out the WTS indoctrination. I will follow your advice regarding getting the books that some of you mentioned and I will try not to be abrupt in my approach as some of you have suggested.

At this point I may have made the mistake of being too frank with the head honcho of the congregation, an elder that is also the replacement of the Circuit Overseer when he is unable to perform his duties. In e-mail exchanges with him I have brought into question most parts of his special talk "Is it later than you think". His speech was filled with misrepresentations, fallacious data, fabricated graphs, specious argumentation and certainly erroneous conclusions. I also have called shameless the attitude of the Governing Body for continuing to predict that the end is coming soon, very soon, after having failed so many times in the past (1925, 1975, 1914, etc). At this point, despite my attacks, the elder remains surprisingly friendly to me because I believe he wants me to reveal my arsenal so he can counter attack with whatever B.S they use to brainwash young minds.

Thanks again and have a great week. I will continue reading and looking for valuable advice.

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Help for a father of two young JW's

by never a jw in

i have never been a jw, but my wife, two brothers and their wives and children are.

also, most of my wife's brothers and sisters are jw's.

since i have a close relationship with both my family and my wife's family you can deduce that most of my friends and associations are with jw's.

never a jw

Hi everyone,

I have never been a JW, but my wife, two brothers and their wives and children are. Also, most of my wife's brothers and sisters are JW's. Since I have a close relationship with both my family and my wife's family you can deduce that most of my friends and associations are with JW's. Never had a problem with these associations, even though I always thought the leadership and the doctrines of JW's were very much in the loonie side. However, recently everything changed when my sixteen year old daughter announced to me that she wanted to get baptized in one of their recent district assemblies. Being the type of father that allows some latitude to his children to make their own decisions, I reluctantly (and stupidly) consented to allow her to baptize. The following day I started my research to confirm why I felt that JW's leadership were loonies. After several weeks of search I discovered enough to make me deeply regret not having conducted my research years ago and prevent my daughter’s baptism.

I also have a 12 year old son who has not decided to baptize yet but is already a JW at heart (12 years of indoctrination couldn't lead to any other result). Needless to say, I need to rescue my son, even my daughter, from the mind controlling organization of JW's. They, my son and daughter, are two very bright kids, and saddens me deeply to know that their talented brains are already under the control of the WTS.

I have already bought Apocalypse Delayed by James Penton, both books of Ray Franz and The Gentile Times Reconsidered of Carl Olof Jonsson. Great books, especially COJ's book, It is unfortunate that I can't find the other book of COJ anywhere unless I get it used for as much as three times the price of the new book in Commentary Press. Unfortunately it is sold out. Do you have any advice as to how I can go about undoing the brainwashing of my children and how to get The Signs by COJ?

Thanks in advance for all your comments that can give me hope to rescue my children.

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Self-Actualization

by frankiespeakin in

while i have come across this term before i never looked up what it meant.

so while reading about what "peak expreiences" are i came across the term again and decide to give wiki a try.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/self-actualization.

self-actualization is a term that has been used in various psychology theories, often in slightly different ways.

never a jw

Hi everyone,

I have never been a JW, but my wife, two brothers and their wives and children are. Also, most of my wife's brothers and sisters are JW's. Since I have a close relationship with both my family and my wife's family you can deduce that most of my friends and associations are with JW's. Never had a problem with these associations, even though I always thought the leadership and the doctrines of JW's were very much in the loonie side. However, recently everything changed when my sixteen year old daughter announced to me that she wanted to get baptized in one of their recent district assemblies. Being the type of father that allows some latitude to his children to make their own decisions, I reluctantly (and stupidly) consented to allow her to baptize. The following day I sstarted my research to confirm why I felt that JW's leadership were loonies. After several weeks of search I discovered enough to make me deeply regret not having conducted my research years ago and prevent my daughters baptism.

I also have a 12 year old son who has not decided to baptize yet but is already a JW at heart (12 years of indoctrination couldn't lead to any other result). Needless to say that I need to rescue my son, even my daughter, from the mind controlling organization of JW's. They, my son and daughter, are two very bright kids, and saddens me deeply to know that their talented brains are already under the control of the WTS.

I have already bought Apocalypse Delayed by James Penton, both books of Ray Franz and The Gentile Times Reconsidered of Carl Olof Jonsson. Great books, especially COJ's book, It is unfortunate that I can't find the other book of COJ anywhere unless I get it used for as much as three times the price of the new book in Commentary Press. Unfortunately it is sold out. Any advice as to how I can go about undoing the brainwashing of my children and how to get The Signs by COJ.

Thanks in advance for all your comments that can give me hope to rescue my children.